{"id":340,"date":"2019-02-16T16:13:06","date_gmt":"2019-02-16T15:13:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/editionsdespetitspas.com\/?p=340"},"modified":"2023-12-29T14:38:23","modified_gmt":"2023-12-29T13:38:23","slug":"education-confiance-liberte-podcast-8","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/editionsdespetitspas.com\/index.php\/2019\/02\/16\/education-confiance-liberte-podcast-8\/","title":{"rendered":"Rencontre avec Lola: \u00e9ducation, confiance et libert\u00e9 (\u00e9pisode #8)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Entre quatre murs de pierres blanchis \u00e0 la chaud, dans une maison au charme fou perdue au milieu des champs, j\u2019ai rencontr\u00e9 Lola qui faisait l\u00e0 \u00e9tape sur sa route des \u00e9coles. Cette jeune enseignante brillante et culott\u00e9e a tout quitt\u00e9 pour apprendre de ses coll\u00e8gues en observant leurs pratiques. Sa r\u00e9flexion touche \u00e0 l\u2019essence m\u00eame de l\u2019\u00e9ducation, acte politique fondamental puisqu\u2019il d\u00e9terminera l\u2019avenir m\u00eame de notre soci\u00e9t\u00e9. Si vous souhaitez nous \u00e9couter, c\u2019est par ici&nbsp;!&nbsp;<\/p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/podcasters.spotify.com\/pod\/show\/editions-des-petits-pas\/embed\/episodes\/Education--confiance-et-libert-Petits-Pas-8-e2dpnoa\/a-aapo8f9\" height=\"102px\" width=\"800px\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">De quoi avons-nous parl\u00e9&nbsp;?<\/h3><p>Lola Briquet est une enseignante 23 ans qui a enseign\u00e9 deux ans dans l\u2019Education Nationale avant de partir <strong>visiter des \u00e9coles et lieux collectifs qui proposent une autre vision de l\u2019\u00e9ducation<\/strong>. D\u00e9marr\u00e9 en septembre 2018, son p\u00e9riple l\u2019a jusqu\u2019\u00e0 pr\u00e9sent amen\u00e9e en France, en Belgique, en Angleterre, en Irlande et en Espagne.<\/p><figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/editionsdespetitspas.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/IMG_1977-768x1024.jpeg\" alt=\"education et libert\u00e9 \" class=\"wp-image-78\" width=\"173\" height=\"230\" srcset=\"https:\/\/editionsdespetitspas.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/IMG_1977-768x1024.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/editionsdespetitspas.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/IMG_1977-scaled-484x645.jpeg 484w, https:\/\/editionsdespetitspas.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/IMG_1977-225x300.jpeg 225w, https:\/\/editionsdespetitspas.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/IMG_1977-scaled.jpeg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 173px) 100vw, 173px\" \/><\/figure><p>Lola \u00e9tait une excellente \u00e9l\u00e8ve, parfaitement adapt\u00e9e au syst\u00e8me scolaire, mais qui s\u2019y ennuyait. Sa vocation d\u2019enseignante lui est venue \u00e0 17 ans, en lisant Le rouge et le Noir de Stendhal (&nbsp;!). Elle se met alors \u00e0 lire beaucoup sur le sujet, et commence \u00e0 visiter des classes avant de passer son concours, car elle a besoin d\u2019observer pour apprendre. A 18 ans, dans le cadre d\u2019une de ces visites, elle d\u00e9couvre la <strong>p\u00e9dagogie Freinet<\/strong> qui la fascine.<\/p><p>Quelques ann\u00e9es plus tard, elle d\u00e9cide de compl\u00e9ter son apprentissage d\u2019enseignante en allant observer d\u2019autres \u00e9coles. Son objectif premier&nbsp;: aller trouver de l\u2019inspiration dans les projets des autres. Elle a besoin de prendre le temps de r\u00e9fl\u00e9chir \u00e0 sa pratique, et constate que dans les premi\u00e8res ann\u00e9es d\u2019enseignement on se pose beaucoup de questions auxquelles on n\u2019a pas le temps de r\u00e9pondre&nbsp;: qu\u2019est-ce que l\u2019\u00e9ducation, quel est son sens? Peut-on penser le <strong>rapport entre \u00e9ducation et libert\u00e9<\/strong>&nbsp;? Une autre \u00e9cole peut-elle cr\u00e9er une autre soci\u00e9t\u00e9&nbsp;?&nbsp;Pour nourrir sa r\u00e9flexion elle choisit de visiter des \u00e9coles aux pratiques p\u00e9dagogiques tr\u00e8s vari\u00e9es.<\/p><h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Les phrases qui font r\u00e9agir<\/h4><p>J\u2019ai jou\u00e9 \u00e0 l\u2019avocat du diable avec Lola, et voici le fruit de nos \u00e9changes&nbsp;:<\/p><ol class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><strong>\u00ab&nbsp;L\u2019\u00e9cole traditionnelle fonctionnait mieux&nbsp;!&nbsp;\u00bb <\/strong>Pour Lola, cette affirmation est bas\u00e9e sur une vision de l\u2019\u00e9ducation o\u00f9 le r\u00f4le de l\u2019\u00e9cole \u00e9tait de transmettre des savoirs et de former \u00e0 un m\u00e9tier. Or aujourd\u2019hui il est plus difficile de trouver un m\u00e9tier, et on ne sait pas lesquels existeront dans 20 ans. Si on r\u00e9duit la dimension de l\u2019\u00e9ducation \u00e0 un enjeu \u00e9conomique, on oublie la <strong>dimension \u00e9mancipatrice<\/strong> que doit avoir l\u2019\u00e9ducation.&nbsp;&nbsp;Mieux vaut penser en terme d\u2019\u00e9panouissement plut\u00f4t qu\u2019en terme de comp\u00e9tences et de connaissances \u00e0 acqu\u00e9rir.<\/li><\/ol><ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><strong>\u00ab&nbsp;L\u2019\u00e9cole a beaucoup chang\u00e9&nbsp;!&nbsp;\u00bb<\/strong> Rien de plus faux, selon Lola. Les m\u00e9thodes dans le fond sont rest\u00e9es les m\u00eames&nbsp;: les enfants apprennent la m\u00eame chose en m\u00eame temps, suivent un emploi du temps d\u00e9termin\u00e9 par quelqu\u2019un d\u2019autre, sont \u00e9valu\u00e9s tous en m\u00eame temps sur les m\u00eames notions, et ces \u00e9valuations permanentes sont la motivation de l\u2019apprentissage. Il y a beaucoup de devoirs, de le\u00e7ons \u00e0 apprendre par c\u0153ur. La forme a quant \u00e0 elle un peu \u00e9volu\u00e9. On parle de citoyennet\u00e9 et d\u2019autonomie dans les programmes, mais dans l\u2019id\u00e9e m\u00eame de programme il n\u2019y a pas de place pour l\u2019autonomie. On parle de citoyennet\u00e9, qu\u2019on apprend au travers de le\u00e7ons au lieu de la vivre.&nbsp;<\/li><\/ul><ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><strong>\u00ab&nbsp;Les p\u00e9dagogies alternatives \u00e7a co\u00fbte cher, c\u2019est pour les privil\u00e9gi\u00e9s.&nbsp;\u00bb<\/strong> Le <strong>financement des \u00e9coles alternatives<\/strong> est un probl\u00e8me central. D\u00e8s qu\u2019on a besoin d\u2019autonomie pour aller plus loin dans l\u2019application de la p\u00e9dagogie, il faut ouvrir une structure priv\u00e9e, qui s\u2019adresse aux familles qui ont les moyens. On peut esp\u00e9rer que le travail accompli par les \u00e9coles priv\u00e9es fasse \u00e9voluer les mentalit\u00e9s, mais le syst\u00e8me public n\u2019est pour le moment pas int\u00e9ress\u00e9 par la lib\u00e9ration de l\u2019apprentissage (cf. l\u2019exp\u00e9rience de C\u00e9line Alvarez)<\/li><\/ul><h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Une \u00e9cole id\u00e9ale<\/h4><figure class=\"wp-block-image alignright is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/editionsdespetitspas.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/IMG_2238-768x1024.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-203\" width=\"231\" height=\"308\" srcset=\"https:\/\/editionsdespetitspas.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/IMG_2238-768x1024.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/editionsdespetitspas.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/IMG_2238-scaled-484x645.jpeg 484w, https:\/\/editionsdespetitspas.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/IMG_2238-225x300.jpeg 225w, https:\/\/editionsdespetitspas.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/IMG_2238-1320x1760.jpeg 1320w, https:\/\/editionsdespetitspas.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/IMG_2238-scaled.jpeg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 231px) 100vw, 231px\" \/><\/figure><p>Dans son \u00e9cole id\u00e9ale, Lola aimerait bien mettre en place&nbsp;les fonctionnements suivants, inspir\u00e9s entre autre des <strong>\u00e9coles d\u00e9mocratiques<\/strong>: on ne suivrait pas une m\u00e9thode unique, car on ne peut pas universaliser l\u2019apprentissage. Les enfants seraient libres d\u2019apprendre ce qu\u2019ils veulent. Et comme l\u2019apprentissage est naturel, puisque les enfants sont pr\u00e9-c\u00e2bl\u00e9s pour apprendre, ils vont apprendre \u00e0 lire, \u00e0 \u00e9crire, de la m\u00eame fa\u00e7on qu\u2019ils ont appris \u00e0 parler, \u00e0 marcher, simplement en vivant et en grandissant dans un environnement riche. Elle abandonnerait toute attente, essaierait d\u2019oublier ses peurs. Elle a pu observer de visu que laisser libre l\u2019apprentissage des enfants, \u00e7a fonctionne. Quand on leur fait <strong>confiance <\/strong>et qu\u2019on les laisse tranquille, ils apprennent&nbsp;! Pas besoin d\u2019\u00e9valuation, de le\u00e7ons collectives, de programmes, qui ne font que rendre l\u2019apprentissage obligatoire, et par cons\u00e9quent vite oubli\u00e9. Ils apprendront bien mieux si leur <strong>motivation est intrins\u00e8que<\/strong>.<\/p><p>Cette \u00e9cole devrait \u00eatre cr\u00e9\u00e9e par les enfants&nbsp;; ses membres se mettraient d\u2019accord sur le fonctionnement, mais ce serait une cr\u00e9ation collective. Elle offrirait un environnement riche (mat\u00e9riel \u00e0 disposition, livres, jeu, sciences, art, ordinateur, jardin, en libre acc\u00e8s), et serait ouverte sur le reste du monde. <strong>Libert\u00e9 et responsabilit\u00e9<\/strong> seraient pratiqu\u00e9es quotidiennement&nbsp;; les r\u00e8gles pour vivre ensemble seraient d\u00e9termin\u00e9es par tous les membres de la communaut\u00e9, selon un principe d\u2019autogestion, o\u00f9 chaque membre aurait le m\u00eame statut et o\u00f9 les d\u00e9cisions se prendraient d\u00e9mocratiquement.<\/p><p>Il reste encore \u00e0 Lola un peu plus d\u2019un an \u00e0 voyager. Localis\u00e9e en Espagne lors de notre interview, elle s\u2019appr\u00eatait \u00e0 visiter le sud de la France, Budapest, l\u2019Ukraine, avant de rejoindre les Etats-Unis, le Canada, et puis peut-\u00eatre l\u2019Am\u00e9rique Latine. R\u00e9fl\u00e9chir \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9ducation am\u00e8ne \u00e0 des sujets tr\u00e8s vastes et ouvre les champs de r\u00e9flexion&nbsp;: elle souhaite, en plus des \u00e9coles, visiter des lieux collectifs auto-g\u00e9r\u00e9s.<\/p><h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Quelques ressources pour aller plus loin&nbsp;<\/h4><p><strong>Sur la p\u00e9dagogie Freinet<\/strong><\/p><p>L\u2019\u0153uvre compl\u00e8te de <a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/C\u00e9lestin_Freinet#Ouvrages_de_C\u00e9lestin_Freinet\">C\u00e9lestin Freinet<\/a> <\/p><p>Film <a href=\"http:\/\/cestdapprendrequiestsacre-lefilm.com\">\u00ab&nbsp;C\u2019est d\u2019apprendre qui est sacr\u00e9&nbsp;\u00bb<\/a> <\/p><p><strong>Sur les \u00e9coles d\u00e9mocratiques&nbsp;:<\/strong>  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.actes-sud.fr\/catalogue\/sciences-humaines-et-sociales-sciences\/libre-pour-apprendre\"><em>Libre pour apprendre<\/em><\/a> de Peter Gray<\/p><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.actes-sud.fr\/catalogue\/societe\/ces-ecoles-qui-rendent-les-enfants-heureux\"><em>Ces \u00e9coles qui rendent nos enfants heureux<\/em><\/a>&nbsp;d&rsquo;Antonella Verdiani<\/p><p>Le film <a href=\"http:\/\/www.allocine.fr\/film\/fichefilm_gen_cfilm=214988.html\"><em>Alphabet<\/em><\/a>, d&rsquo;Erwin Wagenhofer <\/p><p>Le film &nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.etreetdevenir.com\/\"><em>Etre et devenir<\/em><\/a>&nbsp;de Clara Bellar<\/p><p><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.actes-sud.fr\/catalogue\/societe\/et-je-ne-suis-jamais-alle-lecole\">Et je ne suis jamais all\u00e9 \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9cole<\/a><\/em>&nbsp;d&rsquo;Andr\u00e9 Stern <\/p><p>Vous pouvez suivre les aventures de Lola sur <a href=\"https:\/\/surlaroutedesecoles.com\">son site Internet<\/a> aux articles foisonnants d&rsquo;information, sur <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/Sur-la-route-des-\u00e9coles-634715236888107\/?epa=SEARCH_BOX\">sa page Facebook<\/a> et sur <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/surlaroutedesecoles\/\">Instagram<\/a>.<\/p><p><em>N&rsquo;oubliez pas, si vous aimez voyager, d&rsquo;\u00e9couter <a href=\"http:\/\/editionsdespetitspas.com\/index.php\/2019\/01\/30\/podcast-des-petits-pas-episode-6-le-tour-du-monde-des-ecoles\/\">l&rsquo;\u00e9pisode consacr\u00e9 aux aventures de Coralie et Claire<\/a>, deux enseignantes parties en f\u00e9vrier 2019 faire le tour du monde des \u00e9coles. Deux projets en apparence similaires, mais finalement tr\u00e8s diff\u00e9rents, qui ouvrent des horizons!<\/em><\/p><p>Quant \u00e0 nous, on se retrouve la semaine prochaine pour un nouvel \u00e9pisode du podcast des Petits Pas&nbsp;! A bient\u00f4t&nbsp;\ud83d\ude42<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Entre quatre murs de pierres blanchis \u00e0 la chaud, dans une maison au charme fou perdue au milieu des champs, j\u2019ai rencontr\u00e9 Lola qui faisait l\u00e0 \u00e9tape sur sa route des \u00e9coles. Cette jeune enseignante brillante et culott\u00e9e a tout quitt\u00e9 pour apprendre de ses coll\u00e8gues en observant leurs pratiques. 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